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20 minutes at 9 o'clock well plenty of

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people check their horoscope each day

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while for some it's just a bit of fun

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others plan their lives by it but is

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there any truth to astrology and our

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stars i'm joined by leading astrologer

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milton black and richard saunders from

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australian skeptics good morning to you

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both milton milton astrology began

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thousands of years ago when people

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looked at the stars but is there much

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truth to it that you can run your live

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pirate

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well you don't actually run your life by

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it

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you actually uh

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look at it as a guide basically you the

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planets influence but they don't compel

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you to do things and all an astrologer

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is basically as a navigator it's like

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going to the sydney hobart yacht race

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and navigator says we turn right here we

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tack there we do this and an astrologer

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does exactly the same in the sea of

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destiny okay but but that means there's

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a link between your life and the stars

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as far as astrologers are concerned

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there is it's uh it's not a mundane

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science like some skeptics think it is

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it's basically an art and what the

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astrologer is doing is putting the the

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stars or the planets into a pattern in

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their destiny and interpreting them and

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giving them an idea of their going in

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the right direction or not right richard

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the moon affects the tides is there any

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possibility the stars and the planets

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could affect us

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to my new degree in fact the camera

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you're looking at right now has far

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greater effect on you

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in any physical sense than all the

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planets combined but it's interesting

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this is the international year of

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astronomy so milton it's time to put

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down your horoscope and pick up your

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telescope astronomy is astronomy shows

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us the universe of wonder and beauty and

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excitement

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far greater than any psychic or

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astrology fantasy well richard i'll just

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explain i think the astronomers

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sincerely because if it wasn't for their

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ephemerisers that they put out

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astrologers would be out of business

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it's as simple as that no astrologers

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would keep going no matter what we call

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them

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we've got to basically know where the

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planets are and it's the astronomers

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that actually put the ephemeris out and

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tell us what position that planet is in

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at that time and that's important

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because if we don't know that we can't

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predict oh yes you can you could just

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make it up as you go along

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i wish we could but hang on but milton

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some of the the

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the astrology predictions that you read

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in the paper magazines just seem so

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general they could apply to anyone yes i

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i agree with you entirely on that

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question because look the the magazines

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and the the papers are basically an

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entertainment type of situation and and

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give you a guide on the sun signs for

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the day or the week but you've got to go

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to a professional astrologer sit down

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work out the time of birth the place of

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birth longitude and latitude where that

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person was born then the astrology gets

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down to the nitty-gritty and can tell

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you all about yourself okay all right we

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put you to the test we've given you

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richard's chart all the details

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now tell us what does it show well

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actually you haven't given me richard's

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chart at all what you've given me is

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martin dr martin bridgesburg's chart and

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this is what i did with martin so i'm

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going to tell you about martin not

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richard well of course

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milton what use is that i mean you can

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say anything you like and who's he's not

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here to correct you no i didn't get you

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see i i spent all last night doing the

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birth date of martin's horoscope and of

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course

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i got his correct time his date of birth

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and everything

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milton you're also billed as australia's

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legion leading psychic didn't you know

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it would be me today

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no that's uh that's not true the thing

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is you always you're not australia's

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leading psychic

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it says that on your website

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more of an astrologer and psychic i

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suppose i suppose they put the two

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together okay

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what's your birthday who who is martin

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dr martin bridgstock is a leading

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skeptic from queensland but he's not

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here how can he possibly confirm or deny

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anything that milton comes up with well

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that's the birth date i was given

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and i thought he was going to be on this

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morning so i'm sorry about that what's

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your birthday didn't you let's take it

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from the top my birth date is the 28 11

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uh 65 the 28th of november that makes me

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a what uh

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okay all right makes you a sagittarian

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no it doesn't milton

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that was where the sun was at the moment

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i was born the sun is clearly in the

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sign of scorpio how can you get it that

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wrong no no it's you're a sagittarius

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now he's got scorpio on the ascendant

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that's what you've got at born at what

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four o'clock in the morning

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how did you know that because that's the

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information i gave to the producers oh

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what you see with richard is not what

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you really get because deep down he's

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quite a secretive type of person now as

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a kid as a kid he he actually drove his

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teachers his parents everybody crazy and

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the reason for this is because he's got

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an inquisitive mind now he's a very

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nostalgic guy he lives in the past a

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little bit but the fact is that's fine

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but he's basically a guy that always

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wants to know very very curious but the

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travelers he's always looking for things

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kochie now if i rest

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met richard saying about six years up

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the track and said hi richard how you

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going he said fine thanks milt have you

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found what you're looking for here this

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is no but i'm still looking around the

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corner here because he's always looking

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for something new to do and i think

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basically on that date he's got a good

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horoscope

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i hear that but milton if you're such a

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good astrologer why are you using cold

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reading and barnum statements i mean any

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magician can do that we've got books

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that teach you how to do exactly the

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statements you've just told me now

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actually

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when you're a professional like me 40

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years in the business you you can come

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to these situations

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all right listen milton i'm going to

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challenge you directly we can give you

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the birth dates of six people six people

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who believe in astrology and we can see

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how accurate you are will you take me up

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on that challenge oh not not this

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morning not right because i'd have to

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sit down and do that oh no no in the

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future in the future

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i'd be very happy

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in the

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how you go all right guys

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well we'll check back with you then

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thanks for joining us this morning

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you're welcome

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if you'd like more information on

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milton's astrology or australian

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skeptics or who on earth martin is

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details are on our website i'm just as